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Leetway will become a platform for pugs, scrims, and ladder matches used to provide free scrim servers from various different providers. It has not been doing that for almost a year, but now it is being reformed and re-released as something completely different. Leetway recently published a "beta signup" page on the main website and today there appear to be 5079 people signed up already.

The official Leetway statement on what it will become is a little vague, so we took it upon ourselves to figure out what was really going on. Leetway will no longer be a free server resource. It will become a complete "match-making platform" where gamers will be able to play pugs, scrims, and ranked ladder matches.

"Leetway is a Counter-Strike: Global Offensive match-making platform for Pugs, Scrims, and Ranked Ladder Matches. Gamers play with their teams or with random players in ranked games hosted on official servers ..." - Leetway Beta Website

An anonymous source was brave enough to leak some screenshots of the beta website to us. Feast your eyes on the material that we were able to round up...

Leaked Screenshot of Leetway Beta Website


Free 5-slot Mumble servers from

NationVoice has finally entered the Mumble market. They are stirring up the Mumble scene by offering free lifetime Mumble servers. Check out the official press release. announces its grand opening. myMumble, a subsidiary of voice communications industry leader NationVoice Communications, is the new and upcoming provider of Mumble voice servers.

Mumble is a voice chat software that enables groups of users to talk to one another similar to programs like Skype, Ventrilo, and TeamSpeak. Mumble was designed to run on any operating system and be a low latency voice communication solution particularly for online gamers, but can be used by anyone to chat in real-time over the Internet.

myMumble offers locations around the world including: San Jose, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Chicago, Washington D.C., London, Paris, Frankfurt, Singapore, and Tokyo.

In addition, myMumble services come standard with features gamers have come to expect in a VoIP provider including instant account activation, a Mumble server status tool, custom server host names and around the clock live customer support.

Check all this out at, where you can order one of their Mumble servers or sign up for an industry first Free 5 User Lifetime Account with no payment required, ever.

About NationVoice LLC:
Founded in 2003, NationVoice has been a worldwide leader in voice communication services for almost a decade. Gamers of all types have come to trust the highly skilled and knowledgeable staff at NationVoice when it comes to gaining a competitive edge over the rest. Go to to learn more.

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Nerd Buster is back online.

The website was down for a couple weeks. The operator accidentally wiped the files and database off the server when restoring some settings. We were too lazy to get it back up, despite the fact that it took 10 minutes now that we did it.

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Blackfoger has been caught in dirty dealings, again.

The following "paper" is written by Simon (co-owner of V8 eSports) and published on NerdBuster without anonymity. It is an account of his relationship with Blight's founder, James "Blackfoger" Larsen and their recent merger endeavor.

Firsthand Account:

James Larsen

About a month ago, my partner talked to me about the opportunity to be absorbed by Blight Gaming. I was running V8 eSports with him and we had a top League of Legends team that went to Intel Extreme Masters in New York and IGN Pro League in Atlantic City, New Jersey. They were a new team and got knocked out but still made $2000 in prize money, just for showing. Anyways, back to the story about Blight. Knowing James "Blackfogger" Larsen's past history in the eSports community I informed my partner that this would turn out to be a very bad deal for us, but that if he really wanted to, we could try and see if it works out. The deal was that we would let blight use our website, and fogger would pay me an amount of money that I would then put into getting some more coding done for the website. Also fogger had to pay for name changes for the LoL team. (We also were told that Steel Series and Thermaltake were sponsoring Blight, which we later found out he actually had no sponsors, which I had figured the entire time.) Fogger agreed, and we started the merge. I told fogger that I needed the money the coming week, and that the money wasn't for me to just make money off him, it was for trust, and in turn I would spend that money right back into the organization. Well that weekend that I had expected my money, I never got it, fogger gave me an excuse saying he had just paid $500 for some sc2 players hotel room. He never gave me a name of which player , or any info about this "sc2 player." Me and my partner continued to ask when we would get the money, and fogger kept saying soon, soon. The next week roles by and I'm thinking I'm for sure getting the money, but I didn't.

Finally, the week after that I received the money that was promised. This was after I told fogger that we were ending the partnership and we were taking everything that we had website, partnership with own3d, enuzi clothing, and our LoL team. I was upset and so was my partner and we told him that he was bullshit and that he just lies and he would keep changing his stories and switching things up that he had just said earlier. For instance, we were supposed to be getting contracts, well he said he had a "lawyer" working on contracts, and we told him why would you get a lawyer to write contracts when the amount of money you owe us is way way less than what a lawyer charges. I told him that it just doesn't make sense. So we basically told him we were out. Me and my partner had a change of heart and decided, give him one last shot a ultimatum. I told him I wanted my money in 2 hours otherwise we were gone. I went to bed and woke up and had received the money. It did come past the 2 hours, but he paid so I figured ok we're fine now. Well it turns out that it wasn't fine at all. A day later I get a messages from foggers partner zack, telling me the truth about Blight Gaming. That it was just a scam and that fogger just tried getting admins to join the org in order to put money into it. Later, Me and my partner asked fogger what happened to zack, and foggers response was, "he's taking a break for a while," which was complete bullshit, because I knew what happened to him, I had just talked to him. Every single story he told us, we found holes to, and when we brought them up, he tried changing the subject, or making it seem like we were just looking for holes and that it was our fault. We asked him about the other stuff that was promised like headsets for the LoL team, and our contracts. He told us that the headsets should be sent soon, when a day before he said they were sent. Then he finally sent the contracts, and after looking at it, me and my partner just lol'ed because there were straight taken from Google and he didn't even bother to make them look semi legit, the date was wrong. We said that he was lieing and that he never got a lawyer to do them, because it was ripped off Google. He tried changing stories and shit but we knew.

Also once he sent those contracts I saw that he had mentioned a LLC. The name of that LLC was Hilda James LLC. So I figured seeing as business info is public domain, I would do a search in the State of Washington's Database. I searched Hilda James LLC and there was 1 result in the system. The business was registered to the address fogger lived at, except the business was in his parents' names Rich and Sue Larsen. I search Blight LLC and Blight Gaming LLC and nothing showed up. So then I knew he was trying to say his business was registered when really all he had was a website and trying to say that it was a company under a company. He said that the business was Blight LLC, but that's not even a registered business in the State of Washington. So then I knew that he is just some loser that still lives with his parents at the age of 23. When I brought this up he said the company was made in his dads name because he was not of age. I said and the name you decided to come up with was Hilda James? I know that, the address of his parents house is also his, because I was given access to his Go daddy account so I could fix the website, and I saw the address he had there, it was the same one. Some other fishy shit he told us when we first met was that he was 23 and retired, I asked him from what and he said ecommerce. Which pretty much means that saying he's retired is a way to not have to say what he really is, which is either on welfare, disability, or both. Or if he's really a loser, he just lives with his parents and mooches off them. We asked him if he was on welfare or disability, he said I could be on disability, we were like wtf? He said yeah I have crohns disease and liver disease, idk but last time I checked those two arnt reasons to collect disability, so I believe he's just scamming the system. This is the short story, there was so much other bullshit, I have almost everything saved in convo's their actually quite hysterical, if anyone wants to read them, I'll probably make them public somewhere. Anyway, V8 eSports is completely separated from that idiot fogger and his illegitimate organization. He was worried about us slandering his name, I told him he already did that to himself. Everyone reading this probably already knows how bullshit he is, this should just solidify the fact that fogger is a cancer to eSports. Thankfully, all we wasted was our time, which sucks, but life goes on. And if fogger ever wants to partner/sponsor your team, seriously just tell him to go fuck himself.

As of November 25th, 2011, Fogger refunded the money that was sent as part of the agreement. The reason for the refund as stated from PayPal "PayPal received a notification from a user regarding unauthorized access to his PayPal account. As a result, one of the payments credited to your PayPal account has been placed in a temporary hold while we investigate the claim." So in other words he made it look like that money was wrongly sent to me, when in reality I have text messages coming from fogger's cell number saying the money was sent 3 minutes after the PayPal transaction took place. I tried explaining my evidence to PayPal but they claimed that text messages cannot be sent as evidence, and since it was payment owed and nothing was actually shipped, they sided with fogger. Ever since we left he has been blasting tweets to numerous organizations trying to talk to them about partnerships, because in reality, as of now he has nothing. He has no website and no teams, so he is desperate. The only reason for this long ass paper is to warn other people of falling in this losers trap.

Further proof of the problems that James has.

Anyways here is the link to the company, under his parents name. And this is not a infringement on anyone's rights, that information is made public for this specific reason, to see if a company is legit or not.


Envision-Host shut down… again!

Below is a letter that Nerd Buster received from an Anonymous source.

Artur Minacov, the owner of has closed down his company with an obvious lie, stating he is "tired of everything hosting related." He doesn't have what it takes to run a successful game server company and he is quite easily the biggest scam artist on the game server market.

He stated in his business closure letter that he is "tired of everything hosting related", when he is doing this to make another company called, Deposit Servers. He does a poor job at hiding his upcoming projects. You can view the STEAM group page at

At the time of writing, even his STEAM avatar is a graphic for his upcoming project. He is going from one scam to the next. Here is a small rundown on his previous hosting endeavors:

  • Envision-Host 2010-2011
  • Optimum-Gaming 2011-2011
  • Fatality Servers 2011-2011
  • Envision-Host 2011-present
  • Deposit Servers (upcoming?)

He started Envision Host, then went to another host, they had management issues so he went to another name and yet again had money hungry thieves inside his management and he went back to Envision-Host with absolutely no idea how to run a game server company.

In the past, he has criticized End of Reality's game servers for their bad quality and terrible support. He has actually had attacks against his company (by whom is unknown) for this defamation of End of Reality. He's not a bright individual and I hope everybody stays away from this scammer unless you want to lose money.

Thank you for reading,

Since the writing of this letter, Envision-Host has revised their business closure letter to be less personal and to leave the door open for a possible return in the future. Perhaps as Deposit Servers? See the business closure letter quoted below.

To all our users, partners and staff,

It is with regret we must inform you that Envision Hosting is going out of business for an undetermined time due to increased competition from other hosting providers, meaning we could no longer be able to remain competitive on price, yet remain a viable business at the same time. However, we do intend to honor all of the existing orders which have been placed over the past month. Game Servers & Web Hosting will remain active until December 11th, 2011, with no possibility of a refund, as specified in the Terms & Conditions accepted when purchasing. If you are subscribed via PayPal, it is your responsibility to make sure to cancel your subscription, to avoid future charges.

On behalf of Envision Hosting, we would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your continued loyalty in choosing us as your preferred hosting provider for the past two years. Without your support, our success would not have been possible but under the current global business climate, we have been left with no option but to close down after December 11th, 2011.

Special thanks to and for their suggestions and helpful feedback.

Please note that starting on November 18th, our support will be closed.

Thank you once again for the loyal and continuous support you have shown us over these years.

Envision Hosting

Nerd Buster advises prospective game server customers to do some shopping research and choose a hosting provider with a proven track record. Be smart buyers people.

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Someone is mad; Has ESEA been bad?

We received a message from an anonymous source that contained a link to a declaration of intentions. The hacker(s) are upset about the corruption of ESEA admins and threaten to take action in order to rid ESEA of its cancer.

Update [Nov. 22]: We received yet another link to a video message.

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Customer of Alloutservers? You may be getting screwed! went down on August 26, 2011. The "company" did not make any sort of press release nor notify clients and/or partners that they were folding up shop. It has been weeks and nobody has heard any word of anyone getting even a partial refund. If you had paid in advance, you're really getting shafted for your money.

These guys were in business for about two years, but they never did have the greatest reputation as a game server provider. They had a small hard-core following, but Alloutservers was never a serious competitor to bigger operations like Nuclearfallout and End of Reality... not to even mention

Alloutservers is a perfect example of what happens when a group of young nerds get together and decide to "start a business." Unfortunately, here in the US, anyone can start a business and they don't even have to file any paperwork. Any chump can start a sole-proprietorship and go about fooling suckers to giving up their money. Don't get gamed!

Are you raged? Start sending angry customer rage mail to the following email addresses:

  • [email protected]
  • [email protected]

You can also try your luck by visiting the Alloutservers steam group page. You can try to hunt down the sucker, Jason Murray, who owned Alloutservers. For legal reasons we can't publish his assumed address and phone number, but you can find them by viewing the whois record for the company domain name over at DomainTools.


Profiling a DDoS attacker: SmatteR

We identified the person responsible for at least one DDoS attack on Nerd Buster as Kalab Parker aka SmatteR. You can read more about him in our previous articles. We thought that since an anonymous tipster was kind enough to donate some fan art, we might as well post it as a tribute. SmatteR must be a troubled boy who probably doesn't feel like he belongs, so he hides behind his computer and "rages" people on the internet by trolling and DDoS'ing, but all he really wants is attention and to find his place in the world. Kalab, you do belong. With love, Nerd Buster Team.

"Never say never... We'll DDoS you together..."

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Imperium Gaming League shut down their service and is rebranding their operation

Imperium Gaming League (IGL) shut down their website last month and put up a splash page saying that they are re-branding their service and will be relaunching. Along with rebuilding their anti-cheat system and website, they are changing the name to International Gaming League. Yeah, that is better than Imperium (Definition: supreme power, empire).

This is their official statement on their splash page:

"Since January 2011's BETA launch, IGL has been able to identify a good amount of needs and wants from the community thanks to experience, trial and error and most importantly, community feedback. With this baggage, IGL administration has been able to pinpoint its priorities so that IGL may launch its official, final product, International Gaming League." -

IGL Logo Fragment

Those of you who followed or even participated in IGL, you may have noticed that their previous website did actually not advertise the service being a BETA that would soon shut down and be completely rebuilt. That lie was conjured up after the fact once the administration realized their failures and inferior website and it's inability to scale.

That being said, they are now trying to play cute on their developer blog and are releasing their new logo in little fragments as if someone is going to check back daily for a new logo for a failed league. Just lay low and come back with something worth the community's time or just stay dead. k, thx.


EA’s Origin wants to scan your PC and invade your privacy

Origin by EA

There is quite an extraordinary clause in the EULA of EA’s new game service, Origin. One that may well make you think twice about installing the software on your PC. Under the title of “Consent to Collection and Use of Data”, the clause states that by installing Origin you are giving EA permission to “collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer, operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.”

Which is to say, if you want to play Battlefield 3, or any other game that will require Origin to run, you’re going to have to agree to that. And by agreeing to that they are going to root around in your computer. Invasion of privacy? I think that's a major YES.

If you do not agree to Origin's TOS they will not allow you to play any of the games you purchased.

Here are the gory details, straight from Origin's EULA:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA's Privacy Policy located at To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

Now, as RPS notes, some of this wording is not that unusual. Many software companies collect system data and several will even tell you that they plan on distributing this to third parties. This includes Steam, whose EULA states that it will:

[...] store information on a user's hard drive that is used in conjunction with online play of Valve products. This includes a unique authorization key or CD-Key that is either entered by the user or downloaded automatically during product registration. This authorization key is used to identify a user as valid and allow access to Valve's products. Information regarding Steam billing, your Steam account, your Internet connection and the Valve software installed on your computer are uploaded to the server in connection with your use of Steam and Valve software.

But, as RPS points out, there's a big difference between Valve's policy and EA's policy: Valve's policy is self-restricted to anything on your PC directly relating to its own products. EA's is so broad that it gives the publisher permission to scan your entire hard drive, and report back absolutely anything you may have installed, and indeed when you may use it, and then pass that information on the third parties.

Now, this data collection may be used in a neutral fashion, heading directly back to EA for dissection and analysis. But there are two aspects that are particularly troublesome: A.) the wording in the EULA is very unspecific and B.) you have to "AGREE" to the terms in order to install your purchased software. In other words, before you can even start playing, EA wants to start digging.

It gets better:

And then even more creepily, they say they intend to take such information, combine it with personal information about you, and use it to advertise directly to you. However, when selling on this free-for-all on your computer's contents, they'll at least remove personally identifying information. Gosh, thanks. Perhaps you're thinking to yourself: screw this online delivery system and its unseemly urge to dig into my hard drive and operating system. I'll just buy one off the shelf, thank you very much. Not. So. Fast.

It strikes us as beyond acceptable... and so much more serious now that EA has made its intentions clear to make so many of their games exclusively delivered through Origin. Were there a choice about what you'd use to play Battlefield 3, Mass Effect 3, etc, then gamers could opt out of allowing Origin on their systems while such a policy is in place. But instead it's a case of agree to such remarkable terms, or don't play their games at all. So, it comes down to this: EA wants what's in your hard drive and any other info it can pick up from your usage habits. Sure, EA has probably always wanted this information but now it's deciding that you, the customer, will only play its games if you give up your information. Apparently, $50+ for a game just isn't payment enough anymore.


DrChristina5000; Soup or Salad?

Inspired by mG|a11y's soup or salad fan art.


LeetSTART is scary and cool

LeetSTART is a new brand of energy drink pills designed for gamers. It claims to reduce "brain lag" by jolting you with a special combination of caffeine, B-vitamins, and essential brain-boosting herbs. LeetSTART sent Nerd Buster one bottle of these pills. It arrived in a small brown box with a hand written address on it. It was a little shady. You would think that in order to establish trust especially with an edible product, a company would invest in proper labels and packaging. Anyway, inside the box we had a nice, sexy bottle of pills.


Nerd Buster had received use instructions via email before hand. The email instructed the pills to be taken for two weeks before making a final judgement on them. Ok, no problem...

Inside the bottle were about thirty pills... we didn't count them because that's lame. We assume there are 30 because the LeetSTART website advertises that one bottle lasts for a month (one per day). Now these weren't tiny pills that you can pop without water. The LeetSTART pills are big like those orange multi-vitamins from Centrum. The pills are white and green. They look like antibiotics!

Ok, so these pills arrived in a random box with a hand written address label. This is a new brand, so we had a look at the fine print on the bottle. It claims all natural ingredients... great... and that it is not FDA approved... cool. Wait what? New pills from a shady box that aren't FDA approved? Scary stuff... almost like popping a random pill at a club.

Whatever, Nerd Buster started poppin the pills anyway. The first pill didn't have any noticeable effect. Neither did the second, but then the buster stopping his drinking binge and got some sleep. After some regular sleep (eight hours or so...) and taking the third pill, something crazy happened. The walls turned black/green with a wireframe-like texture. Everything seemed to slow down and then the buster sat down in front of his gaming PC and top fragger five scrims in a row with thirty bombs!!! OK, the five scrims and thirty bombs did happen, but the rest is bullshit. Time didn't slow down and the buster did not cross into a gaming trance with matrix-like sensory input.

Guys, LeetSTART is like any other energy product. If you are one of those people that gets an energy boost from a cup of coffee or a can of redbull in the morning, LeetSTART will do the trick for you. This is a matter of mind over matter. If you think that energy products help you, then there is a good chance that they just might. Some people don't drink coffee and some people are relatively immune to the energizing effects of energy products. These people might as well not use them because its a waste of money. That being said, is there any advantage to using LeetSTART instead of products like redbull, 5-hour energy, etc? Yes, LeetSTART is cheaper. You can buy one bottle of LeetSTART for $29.99 and it will last you for a month. Other products can cost over $3.00 per day and add up to over $90.00 per month.

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Does ESEA not care?

Many ESEA subscribers have come to ask themselves, "Does ESEA not care?" When dealing with ESEA's support and especially ban related inquiries, most come to be baffled at the arrogance of the staff or simply get ignored. Granted a lot of ban inquiries for example are from kids who cheated and try to pull the "my brother got on my account" excuse, but that does not excuse ESEA from properly handling requests from paying customers.

Case Study

Kevin (-Bruce) was playing in a pug with a ESEA-Invite kid(maxkap) who roster rides for Fighting Irish. He was destroying kids like normal and then left half way through the match, if you watch the demo, someone claims that bruce is cheating and at the last round where before bruce leaves he gets pz'd when he's rushing B and the kid that killed him said "He's deffinantly not cheating, he didn't even see me coming." After he leaves the match the ESEA-Invite kid says "lol ragequit" Anyway the day after the pug bruce is banned without warning. It states on his ESEA page that he's banned untill Feburary of 2012 for "Ban Evasion."

Bruce goes on to e-mail one of the ESEA admins (presumably BIGG) and asks them why he's banned for Ban Evasion. They tell Kevin that "You where banned because your other account "l0s" has been banned previously for cheating/ban evasion." Kevin is stuck completely confused because he is not L0s at all. L0s happens to be one of the team-mates on his Cevo-Main roster who was banned from ESEA a while ago for Cheating and Ban Evasion.

Carlos AKA L0s

There are several match videos from CEVO that ESEA could have easily requested to verify that L0s and Bruce (Kevin) are not the same person. Bruce also requested that ESEA look at their IP's, the places where they live, and pull up previous demos of L0s talking in game and Bruce talking in game and they would obviously realise that they are not the same people. That was about 4 days ago and since the first e-mail Bruce still hasn't heard anything back from the notorious BiGG. Bruce has been DENIED from a service that he is paying for, for almost a week now and is becoming quite frusterated. = Kevin AKA Bruce- = Carlos

These guys are not the same person. It doesn't take an FBI investigator to figure that one out. They have two completely different team histories and have clearly been playing for a while.

Carlos has been playing since 2006 with STEAM_0:0:293810.
Kevin has been playing since 2008 with STEAM_0:0:66828.

End of Case Study.

See the earlier Nerd Buster post titled "ESEA’s customer service representative calls a paying customer an impatient douche" for a poll about what people think about ESEA's customer service.


Todd Williams (Anger) from Dynamic is an Addict and Scumbag

Todd "Anger" Williams

First off, I (anonymous) thought he was a cheater but ended up finding out through the Nerdbuster Investigation team that Todd Williams is a straight up scumbag. He meets girls and lures them to LANs events that he goes to. He uses them and then kicks them to the curb. He is also a drug addict hooked on Oxycontin. This is the guy that online kids idolize? A drug addicted gamer who whores around and pops really cool. Nice to know that Team Dynamic has a featured star on their team.

Happy reading lawl.

NB Informant: Oh Todd
NB Informant: hai there
anger: hey
anger: what's up?
NB Informant: nothing really
NB Informant: so how many girls are you whoring yourself out for?
anger: not too many now...prob like 4
NB Informant: oh really? What happened to that one girl you went to ESEA LAN with? And why so many girls? Why are you leading them all on?
anger: Oh I kicked her to the curve. because its fun.
NB Informant: why? and messing with people is fucked up tyvm
NB Informant: and wasn't it..ugh forgot her name..esea lan girl..
anger: yeah it was that one I went to ESEA LAN with. She was fucking psycho.
NB Informant: Ahh yeah I remember her. And you're not much better on the psycho status. Anyway...still popping the pills?
anger: yeah I am
NB Informant: Wasn't it oxycontin?
anger: yup. I need them. It hurts when I dont have them
NB Informant: That's no good. So when are you going to get help?
anger: prob never
NB Informant: hmm.
NB Informant: sooo how many do you take now
anger: prob like 2-3 a day
NB Informant: wow a bit much?
NB Informant: fucking retard.

Leakin' and Bustin' ... keep fragging people!


CS: Global Offensive Gameplay Trailer

We might have gotten hyped up over nothing. After seeing the CS:GO gameplay trailer, it looks like a Call of Duty that will be cool for two weeks and then die off. Since the game is mainly being built for consoles, we can assume that the physics, controls, and recoil will be dumbed down so that console kids will be able to hit something with their thumbsticks. Don't hold your breath for awesomeness...